Watkins also cited "the issue of immigration" as an example of "where John McCain put his own political life and ambitions on the line for the sake of America," asserting: "I mean, he crafted that bill with Democrats, with [Sen.] Teddy Kennedy [D-MA] among other people, for the sake of America. And so here's a guy who's willing to take big-time risks, John McCain." But Watkins did not note, as Media Matters for America has repeatedly documented, that McCain said during the January 30 Republican presidential debate that he would not support the comprehensive reform bill he co-sponsored with Kennedy if it came to a vote on the Senate floor. McCain now says that "we've got to secure the borders first" -- a position at odds with his prior assertion that border security could not be disaggregated from other aspects of comprehensive immigration reform.
WATKINS: Well, this is -- this is a whole new day. I mean, throw away all the rules in the campaign. I mean, this is a whole new day. You've got an African-American who is the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party. You've got John McCain on the Republican side of the aisle, and you've got guys like [Sen.] Joe Lieberman [I-CT], the former Democratic vice presidential nominee, now siding with John McCain. This is a whole different world. And when it comes to -- to -- to Barack Obama, I think Republicans are -- they're not going to make it personal because Barack Obama has a beautiful family. I mean, he certainly strikes a wonderful image, standing alongside his wife and talking with his kids, wonderful image. They'll attack him on all the issues because he's flip-flopped. He's made so many big changes. Democrats are having buyer's remorse.
HALL: But is that smart when they can counter, Joe, and say, "Look, John McCain did this too"?
WATKINS: Well, he hasn't.
HALL: I can just bring up one thing, the tax cuts, that's what the Repub -- the Democrats point to.
WATKINS: And -- and -- and that's a great one to try to bring it up on. The reality is that John McCain actually supported tax cuts. The reason why he didn't support the tax cuts earlier is because he said you've got to slow down government spending.
HALL: Yeah.
WATKINS: You can't spend and cut at the same time. But, take -- take -- take -- take the issue of immigration, where John McCain put his own political life and ambitions on the line for the sake of America. I mean, he crafted that bill with Democrats, with Teddy Kennedy among other people, for the sake of America. And so here's a guy who's willing to take big-time risks, John McCain is.
HALL: But, we're almost out of time, so yes or no, are they having a hard time?
WATKINS: Yeah, they've had a tough time.
HALL: Phil, yes or no, is there a hard time right now with the GOP to attack Barack Obama?
PHIL MUSSER (Republican strategist): Obama has been deft in dodging attacks. But look, one of the things that we need to do, and the McCain campaign, I think, needs to do, is to double down on the strategies on where to attack him.
HALL: Right.
MUSSER: This is a little bit tactical. But look, the -- 2008, the online community is driving the debate in a whole different way. The Republican Party --
HALL: It is. It's interesting.
MUSSER: I'm sorry?
HALL: I said -- no, I agree. It's interesting.
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