BRZEZINSKI: But the surge -- the surge has definitely had an impact that changes the conversation a bit. I mean --
SCARBOROUGH: It does. And why did it -- why did it work? It's because Bush finally got rid of Rumsfeld, brought in a great new secretary of Defense, General Petraeus. They -- he finally --
BRZEZINSKI: Oh, that wasn't John McCain?
SCARBOROUGH: He finally put the right team together. Now, let's --
BRZEZINSKI: What? Are you sure?
SCARBOROUGH: -- let's talk about the what the McCain camp --
BRZEZINSKI: It was John McCain.
SCARBOROUGH: -- were saying yesterday that was wrong, Willie.
BRZEZINSKI: He did it.
GEIST: Well, the irony also is that John McCain yesterday was tying Barack Obama to George Bush, saying, as you said --
BRZEZINSKI: Oh, no. I'm confused.
GEIST: -- you said Barack Obama's feet are in cement, and --
SCARBOROUGH: Right.
GEIST: -- and John McCain said that's exactly right, much like this past administration.
SCARBOROUGH: Really?
BRZEZINSKI: Oh.
GEIST: Hasn't America seen enough?
SCARBOROUGH: You are kidding me?
GEIST: Their policy is not flexible. They won't change given conditions on the ground. So, sort of a creative way of --
SCARBOROUGH: Bush?
BRZEZINSKI: Yeah.
SCARBOROUGH: He compared Bush and Obama?
GEIST: Bush -- he tied -- he did. He tied them together.
SCARBOROUGH: Are you serious?
GEIST: He did it on a conference call and --
SCARBOROUGH: I'm dizzy.
GEIST: and then -- yeah, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Mitt Romney, though, out yesterday --
SCARBOROUGH: Uh-huh.
GEIST: -- looking very vice-presidential --
SCARBOROUGH: Yeah.
GEIST: -- talking about the fact that the surge -- John McCain's idea.
SCARBOROUGH: Really?
BRZEZINSKI: Yeah.
ROMNEY [video clip]: John McCain understands military strategy. He, after all, was the person who authored some time ago the philosophy that said a surge would work in Iraq. He said that Rumsfeld needed to go, and you know what? He ended up being right, and Barack Obama said the surge would not work. Guess who was wrong on that one?
BRZEZINSKI: Oh. Yes.
SCARBOROUGH: All right. So, there -- that's fine. But, I mean, it was George Bush's surge. I will say John McCain was the one man in Washington who supported that, it seemed at the time, but I wouldn't go around saying that was McCain's idea.
BRZEZINSKI: I --
GEIST: Yeah.
BRZEZINSKI: I'm thinking, yeah.
GEIST: Or that -- or that he was the one who wanted Rumsfeld out, either.
BRZEZINSKI: Umm --
SCARBOROUGH: Well --
BRZEZINSKI: Well --
SCARBOROUGH: He did not like Rumsfeld.
GEIST: No.
BRZEZINSKI: He did. We gave him the credit for not liking Rumsfeld.
SCARBOROUGH: He did that. He was after Rumsfeld.
BRZEZINSKI: There was a little friction there. I think.
SCARBOROUGH: Actually, I think he was saying Rumsfeld should be fired, but --
BRZEZINSKI: Yeah, no, I think there was legitimate friction there.
TIKI BARBER (NBC News correspondent): So did a host of other people.
BRZEZINSKI: Yeah.
SCARBOROUGH: Well, OK. Everybody in America, but George Bush. Talk about your feet in cement.
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