This week we published an extract from Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor’s new book, about end times fascism. We asked Naomi about how we can direct anger into action.
When both precarity and anger benefit the neofascist right, how do we channel our own anger to combat them?
We need to remember that people have a right to be angry at systems that are failing them, and increased economic precarity is not a figment of their imagination. Our task is to direct these powerful, legitimate emotions at the systems responsible for the erosion of rights and living standards, while inviting people into collective struggle to change those cruel systems. For the invitation to be appealing, the cultures we build on the left have to be welcoming, and they have to offer opportunities for collective joy and catharsis. We have to act like we actually want to build diverse coalitions – which, let’s face it, the left does not always do.
Do you worry about silos, about talking to your people?
I do worry about it, but I see a lot of evidence that some of the old silos are breaking down. There is actually a huge amount of agreement across partisan lines about the fact that we do not want to live in a surveillance state, whether controlled by Palantir or Google. Most people don’t want their kids to be friends with chatbots either. Or to have a robot instead of a nurse. In my last book, Doppelganger, I wrote about communities being torn apart by battles over vaccines and the rights of trans people. Now many of these same communities are healing reuniting to fight proposed datacentres or Flock cameras. There are still disagreements, but a lot of people are deciding that the common ground is more important.
Did you coin the term “end times fascism”? Does it mean you feel the destructive, growth-obsessed capitalists of our age constitute a political movement?
I did coin the term but Astra Taylor and I have defined it together. It’s not a monolith or one single movement: fascism is always an alliance of often disparate forces deciding to make strategic common cause. In our book, End Times Fascism: And the Fight for the Living World, we show the points of unity between the main groups (those include an apocalyptic imaginary about the future; a willingness to rank human life and sort the chosen from the damned; and intense interest in bunkers of various kinds). But we also show where they are most in conflict, and how those conflicts can be deepened so that this nihilistic coalition can be successfully weakened. As people who are staunchly opposed to fascism and who firmly believe that we all have a right to a thriving future, our objective is not just to describe and define end times fascism. It’s to defeat it.
And finally … if you had a bunker, what would it be like?
I’d like to see a global movement of converting underground billionaire bunkers into mushroom farms.
Join Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor on Monday 28 September to discuss the rise of ‘end times fascism’ and ask what it means for the future of democracy, equality and the planet itself, as explored in their new book End Times Fascism: And the Fight for the Living World. Book tickets here.
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